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POET OF FURIOUS PASSION AND NEURODIVERGENCE

Arden Hunter

I interviewed aroace agender writer, artist and performer Arden Hunter who founded Cutbow Quarterly literary magazine. Arden writes erasure poetry, audio poetry, collage, found and digital visual poetry as well as straight, on-the-page poetry/fiction. Arden says about their work “… the theme tying everything together is an inexplicable and unconditional love of the ridiculous beast that is called ‘human’. “

Leslie: You say you’re an ‘aroace agender autistic writer, artist and performer’. You also used to refer to yourself as ‘Triple-A Battery’. Could you expand on what those phrases mean in terms of your work and how you experience the world, please? How does your neurodivergence manifest itself as a creative force?

Arden: I think it’s pretty common for writers and artists to look around at what other people are creating in order to get ideas and inspiration. Growing up, poetry seemed to mainly be about falling in love, lost love, the highs and lows of love… Artworks were explained to me in terms of how the artist related to the world, usually involving a tragic romantic affair, infidelity, or loss of a partner. As an aroace person I don’t relate to people in the same way; love and relationships are not a driving force in my life. I think that’s why for a long time I didn’t share my creative output, because I assumed no-one was going to connect with it. It was only when I discovered that there are so many people in the world who are just like me that I realised there was a place for my art as well.

The ‘triple-A battery’ thing was a defence mechanism – to call myself a ‘thing’ before anyone else could. I used to feel like I had to ‘come out’ to people over and over again. This week I’ll explain asexuality, next week I’ll try agender, eventually we’ll get around to neurodivergence… It can be exhausting, so I used to make it into a joke to get it all out at once. These days I think enough of my personality and identity shines through my work that it’s an easy jumping-off point for discussion.

As for being a creative force, my own brand of neurodivergence brings me new shiny hyperfixations every once in a while. I can suddenly become obsessed with a piece of media or a food or even just an idea: overnight, zero to one hundred. I can focus on that thing (sometimes to the exclusion of everything else) to the point where artwork and writing about that thing just pours out of me – an artistic info-dump, if you will. I have a very strong insatiable need to explain whatever it is to the rest of the world, but in a way that is uniquely ‘me’ at the same time.

Leslie: Why do you call your forthcoming collection ‘Stop Fidgeting’?

Arden: ‘Stop fidgeting’ was a common phrase in my childhood – not from family, but at school or in after-school clubs and other social gatherings. I am sensitive to textures, and as a youngster didn’t know how to channel that sensitivity into anything other than fidgeting. I think a lot of people will have heard the same phrase as being uncomfortable, especially in formal wear, seems to be a common childhood occurrence.

To me, the phrase says more than just, ‘be still’: the subtext is also, ‘accept your lot. Don’t complain. Comply.’ The collection explores the relationship between clothing and other day-to-day items and the concept of gender (something I did not understand at all when I was a kid) and how those societal gender norms are enforced through desired presentation. So, ‘stop fidgeting. Wear what we want you to wear. Be who we want you to be. Don’t ever step outside the box we put you in.’ It’s in many ways an angry collection, reacting to these arbitrary edicts.

Leslie: Could you describe how the poems ‘Camouflage’ and ‘Scarves’ from ‘Stop Fidgeting’ began, grew and developed, please?

Visual Poetry ‘Scarves’. Arden says about this: “There is a plain blue background and a wire coat hanger. Words written vertically form the shape of a scarf. The words are predominantly in black, with some areas in orange. When your eyes adjust, you can see an orange skull formed by the colour changes. The words read: Store your delicate scarves on hangers because they aren’t robust they don’t have function they merely serve to remind you that you’re expected to have something wrapped around your neck you’re supposed to let this sheer floaty piece of nothing that neither warms nor cools is draped just-so over the raging pulse in your throat to cover all the things that make people uncomfortable such as shapely shoulders present breasts tattoos and scarves and stretchmarks and stomachs depending on the context it’s different depending on where you are and who might see you so best to keep your scarf ready this transparent thing that covers nothing but provides a barrier an atom thick that somehow makes you acceptable keep it ready and dive beneath when society frowns at the audacity of your continued existence.”

Arden: I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with scarves. On the one hand they are very useful; I have lived in very conservative countries with hot climates, and throwing a big lightweight scarf over my head and upper body to cover up is very convenient. The few scarves I have are also made of very nice material so they don’t set off my skin. However, I still get annoyed at having to use them at all. The older I get, the more it seems I am ‘supposed’ to wear scarves – cover up the wrinkles in your neck, soften your edges, etc. and basically whenever I start feeling like I’m ‘supposed’ to do anything based on pointless societal expectations, it bothers me. ‘Scarves’ is very much an angry rant about that.

‘Camouflage’ came about because as the collection developed, I realised I wasn’t representing viewpoints other than my own. I wanted to explore all the ways that gendering items represses people, not just people who look like me. So I talked to my friends who present as ‘traditional males’ and asked them about their experiences, and those conversations informed ‘Camouflage’ and a few more pieces in the collection. The piece is about how men are traditionally expected to present strength and fitness, sex appeal and aggression, but still somehow blend in with the crowd. All the people I talked to said they wished they had been able to express their own personalities better through their presentation when they were younger.

Visual poetry ‘Camouflage’. Arden says about it: “There is an ‘everyman’ artist’s model in the centre and toy soldiers in the background. In small diagonal type, it says, ‘boy toy action man’, and the large print down the centre says: NEVER LET THEM SEE YOU CRY. The letters also reveal a camouflage print over the page.”

Leslie: Can you give us examples from your work of the creations (other than Camouflage and Scarves) that carry the greatest personal urgency? Why are these pieces important to you?

Arden: ‘Ballet shoes’ was one of the first pieces I made for this collection. It shows a background of skin with curling pink ribbons on the side, and sentences criss-crossing the page. The words are the colour of purple bruises and you can see how they press into the skin and cause pain. I have clear memories from when I was young and went to ballet classes of having these torture devices called ballet shoes strapped to my feet and ankles. It was just accepted by everyone – the instructors, the other kids, family members – that this was going to leave you bruised and battered and in pain. I couldn’t understand why everyone accepted it, why no-one else was fidgeting like I was. I carried that bemusement with me and it had to get out onto the page.

Another piece that came very easily to me was ‘Cleavage’. I included a lot of different common phrases about breasts that are cat-called to young people, or whispered as chastisement. These phrases of course are contradictory – I myself have heard both ‘cover yourself up’ and ‘show us your tits’ on the same day. As a neurodivergent person this was particularly difficult to understand, particularly as again having these things said to you seemed to be accepted by society; you’re just supposed to put up with it. Well, I won’t. I don’t! I hope reading the words in this piece will help highlight just how ridiculous the whole thing is.

Leslie: How do you write/create visual art? Is it in snatches, repeatedly revised, inspired by real-life events, dream-like, slowly constructed or instinctive? How do you ensure that you remain creative and produce your best work?

Arden: It’s usually very intense and very fast. When the obsession comes over me, I’m not going to do anything else – talk to anyone, go out, I even forget to eat and use the bathroom. The pieces in this collection took around six hours each (average; some were an hour, some were twelve) and I made them every night and every weekend over a month until they were done. There was some editing needed afterwards (e.g. if I noticed an incorrect spelling), but usually when I think I’m finished with a piece after this intense flurry of activity, I don’t go back to it later. My creative process is fueled by a kind of furious passion; I have to ride the wave when it appears, because once it’s gone, it’s gone. The way I remain creative is to recognize this process and trust that there are more waves on their way in the future. If I try to make or write something when I’m not feeling it, it really goes nowhere.

Leslie: Why do you sometimes want the reader to feel confused? What’s unique about the writing/art you’re offering?

Arden: Much as I want to get my ideas across and create a shared understanding between me and the viewer, I don’t want it to be easy. When someone just tells you something, you might nod and smile and think you’ll go research it more later, but the odds are you’ll just go on with your life. However if someone hints at something and you’re interested to know more, you’ll go find out about it yourself out of curiosity, and that searching process, that learning process; it stays with you. I want people to have a moment of disorientation when they see/read my work, a moment of discovery. I want them to feel accomplished when they find the answer, and that answer is going to be different for everyone who views the work. I don’t just want them to understand, I want to co-create understanding.

You can find out more about Arden Hunter’s collection ‘Stop Fidgeting’ here.

ABOUT LESLIE TATE’S BOOKS:

  1. Love’s Register tells the story of romantic love and climate change over four UK generations. Beginning with ‘climate children’ Joe, Mia and Cass and ending with Hereiti’s night sea journey across Oceania, the book’s voices take us through family conflicts in the 1920s, the pressures of the ‘free-love 60s’, open relationships in the feminist 80s/90s and a contemporary late-life love affair. Love’s Register is a family saga and a modern psychological novel that explores the way we live now.
    • A signed copy of Love’s Register is available in pounds sterling here.
    • The paperback in other currencies is available here.                                                 
    • Ebook for Kindle in £s here and in $s here.                                                           
    • For other ebook reading devices here (all currencies). 
  2. Heaven’s Rage is a memoir that explores addiction, cross-dressing, bullying and the hidden sides of families, discovering at their core the transformative power of words to rewire the brain and reconnect with life. “A Robin Red breast in a Cage / Puts all Heaven in a Rage” – William Blake. You can read more about/buy Heaven’s Rage here.
  3. The Dream Speaks Back, written by Sue Hampton, Cy Henty and Leslie Tate, is a joint autobiography exploring imagination and the adult search for the inner child. The book looks at gender difference, growing up in unusual families and mental health issues. It’s also a very funny portrait of working in the arts, full of crazy characters, their ups and downs, and their stories. You can buy a signed copy of The Dream Speaks Back here.

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